I cannot take your whispering

[brilligspoons]

I've had some time to process my feelings regarding The Avengers, and while I'm not quite as devastated as I was initially, I'm still sort of...annoyed? I guess? By it in general. 80sgirlie and I had a somewhat epic discussion about it on Friday, and yesterday I emailed anoneknewmoose about it, and I've identified specifically, I think, what made me sad/angry about the whole thing.

Overall I'm angry because I had super high expectations for this thing and very few of them were met. I saw all over the internet that it was AMAZING and WONDERFUL and EVERYTHING WE'D EVER HOPED FOR, and then when I finally got to the theater myself it ended up being very mediocre. So the things that annoyed me are blown out of proportion because this is MY FANDOM and I have really deep, severe affection and love and adoration for the characters and the stories and I felt extremely let down by the whole thing.

Specifically, though, my issues were mostly script-related:

*I thought it was implied in Stuttgart that Steve and Tony had met already and this animosity between them was old hat, which was fine, I expected that from them. But then in the lab with Bruce, Tony's all, "So THAT'S the guy my dad always went on about," and my brain went ?????.

*I didn't think Loki's connection with the Chitauri was explained as well it should have been, which made the leap from movie pre-final battle to movie during final battle shaky and disjointed. There was some throwaway line about expanding his mind, or knowledge, or something? IDK.

*Actually the plot in general was pretty boring.

*The dialogue was filled with pointless one-liners.

*Tony and Steve were almost 2-dimensional - and it KILLS me to say that, okay? They're my babies. I want them to have depth. They didn't have much.

*Why did Tony go through the portal with the nuke?

*I frequently forget that Thor was even in the film at all.

There were other things I wish there was more of or had been explained better, but I totally realize you can only do so much in 2.5 hours, so they aren't quite as annoying as the rest.

I LOVED Natasha and Clint and Bruce and Coulson SO FUCKING MUCH, though. Like, I have all these feelings about Bruce and Tony being science bros! And, guys, who knew that Coulson/Natasha/Clint would turn into my OT3? Because I didn't. I also didn't know that I had very serious feelings about biromantic!ace!Coulson and his relationship with Natasha and Clint, but apparently I do since I started writing a fic about it last night. >.> How do I ever get anything done around here?

IN CONCLUSION, all of that. I'm sure you were all super interested.

Also in conclusion: RIP, Maurice Sendak. :(

Comments

[anoneknewmoose.livejournal.com]

I'M GONNA MAKE FETCH HAPPEN. MY OT3 WILL TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE. MWAHAHAHA.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

YES, EXCELLENT. >:D

[seratonation.livejournal.com]

biromantic!ace!Coulson and his relationship with Natasha and Clint

oh. Ive been wondering why i couldnt get them to click in my head, i see the threesome but there was no click, but this, oh this could be perfect! omg.

in other news i agree about the tony/steve. all these people came out with like oh tony and steve and im just like um ok? but did you see tony and bruce? and bruce and tasha? and tasha and clint! and then im off on my own tangents :P I like tony on his own though. or tony and pepper <33

(although i do have to apologise, i was one of the ones who came out of the movie with stars the size of the sun in my eyes. it WAS everything i wanted, mostly for black widow and hawkeye screentime, and tony and bruce being science bros, thats what i had wanted and thats what i got \o/)

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

I know, right? I didn't really see it before either, but all of a sudden it just made SENSE, and now I can't get it out of my head. Not that I'm complaining or anything. ;)

Yeah, I'm surprised when people mention their feelings about Steve/Tony as a result of this movie. I just...didn't see it? Which is totally weird for me, them being my OTP and all. But I loved the Tony/Pepper scenes, and everyone else was just WONDERFUL.

(No apologizing! I'm not, like, mad that everyone's all googly-eyed over it. If anything I'm angry with myself for not being able to enjoy it more than I did.)

[seratonation.livejournal.com]

:D:D:D I look forward to the fic :D

Did you see how RDJ brought her back? that scene was meant to be just him at the top of the tower and RDJ was like no, I dont want him to be crazy-alone guy i want him to be crazy-in-a-relationship guy, every time i remember that my heart squees, RDJ is the biggest shipper :D

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

YES, ugh, it made me love him even more. And it totally made sense, I mean, they ended IM2 on such a high note for him that it would've been awful not to have that acknowledged in this movie.

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

I like to think of the movie (which I did legit love, but I went in with zero expectations after skipping most of the trailers) as a really good setup for the fanfic I want. So in that sense, HUGE SUCCESS.

Also, YES, OT3! I will read that!

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

That is an excellent way of thinking about it! I approve!

Emailing yoooouuu.

[bessiemaemucho.livejournal.com]

I liked the movie but I agree with most of those criticisms. I just didn't really care. I wanted a fun popcorn comic book movie and I totally got one. Afterward my friends and I all turned to each other and were like "Wait what even was Loki doing with those aliens? Oh whateverrr." I also 100% live for one-liners in action movies (see also my love for James Bond). So for me one-liners aren't pointless, they are literally what I want to see and hear.

But anyway if all of that was not the movie you wanted, then yeah it would probably be disappointing.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

Which is totally legit! I recognize that my expectations were probably too high and that I'm kind of ridiculous for taking it this seriously. SHRUUUUUUG. I'll get over it.

[bessiemaemucho.livejournal.com]

W/e dude, it's totally reasonable to feel disappointed about something you were really looking forward to. Maybe Avengers 2 will be more your cup of tea?

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping so! Plus there's Iron Man 3, Thor 2, and Captain America 2 (also potentially Black Widow?????) to look forward to, so it's not all gloom and doom on this end. :D

[80sgirlie.livejournal.com]

I'm still with you that Steve and Tony had some sort of interaction before Germany. There are just too many hints towards it. It think the Howard line is Whedon realizing at the last minute that Tony has father issues and Tony is generally content and adjusted in this movie and we just cannot have that. I think it was thrown in at the last minute without anyone thinking about it.

You just cannot ship Steve and Tony in this movie. Angry sex? Yes. But being adorable and totally in love and perfect for one another? No.

Regardless, I still really liked it. But again that's my not being as attached to the characters and having very few expectations.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough, I just don't see Steve and Tony even being friends based on this movie. Like, comrades for sure, but that's about it. And I'm not even all that ticked off about that.

OH WELL. Iron Man 3 and Star Trek 2 doubleheader next May with Heather, y/y/mfy?

[80sgirlie.livejournal.com]

I'm going with mfy.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

Correct answer.

[citizenjess.livejournal.com]

Agreeing with a lot of this: It was good, not great, and I was entertained and came out of it shipping stuff, but it's not the best superhero movie out there, or the best vehicle for Joss Whedonisms, etc., etc.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

Essentially this. I'm happy it made so many other people excited and that it did so well (because it means more movies are guaranteed), too, I just. Wanted more. /shrug

[inever.livejournal.com]

I loved it, but I also felt like with so many characters they didn't have much time to do any development. It also felt like Cap wasn't really the leader, that Tony was running the show. I guess Iron Man is their huge money maker so maybe that's why he seemed to take the lead, I dunno. The aliens stuff confused the heck out of me. I think that should have been explained a little better.

[brilligspoons.livejournal.com]

I could sort of see Cap as the leader at the end where he's taking the lead and directing everyone in the final battle, but other than that it felt like an even split between him and Tony.

ACTUALLY, now that I'm thinking about it, the movie felt an awful lot like reading a comic book? Not a full trade, but a single issue. If that makes any sense. Maybe that's just me again, though.